# FTP higher on inclines than flat stretch **URL:** \ **Category:** TrainerRoad Software\ **Tags:** ramp-test\ **Created:** [December 10, 2018, 6:16pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/ftp-higher-on-inclines-than-flat-stretch/7606 "2018-12-10T18:16:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![borchgrevink](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/borchgrevink/32/6321_2.png) [@borchgrevink](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/borchgrevink)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2018, 6:16pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/ftp-higher-on-inclines-than-flat-stretch/7606/1 "2018-12-10T18:16:43Z")
The issue is that I tend do put out higher watts on continuous inclines than the same period on a flat stretch. The effect is explained here: [Climbing vs time-trialling: same effort, different power output - CyclingTips](https://cyclingtips.com/2013/09/climbing-and-time-trialling-how-power-outputs-are-affected/) How is this affecting the result from the ramp test? Is the ramp test simulating incline or flat? ---
**Author:** ![hugo1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/hugo1/32/13355_2.png) [@hugo1](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/hugo1)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2018, 6:27pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/ftp-higher-on-inclines-than-flat-stretch/7606/2 "2018-12-10T18:27:48Z")
It depends on the inertia of your trainer (flywheel weight and flywheel speed). ---
**Author:** ![borchgrevink](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/borchgrevink/32/6321_2.png) [@borchgrevink](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/borchgrevink)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2018, 6:43pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/ftp-higher-on-inclines-than-flat-stretch/7606/3 "2018-12-10T18:43:50Z")
How? The different results are from the same trainer. On virtual rides with high inclines I get higher watts than on same trainer on flat rides. ---
**Author:** ![hugo1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/hugo1/32/13355_2.png) [@hugo1](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/hugo1)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2018, 6:47pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/ftp-higher-on-inclines-than-flat-stretch/7606/4 "2018-12-10T18:47:49Z")
The inertia, how sluggish the pedaling feels, is affected by flywheel weight/speed or incline out on the road. Cheap trainers on max resistance with a low gear simulate incline riding (“pedaling feels like quicksand”). Expensive trainers on low resistance and a high gear simulate flat road riding (“real life road feel”). You get better at the type of riding you practice. ---
**Author:** ![borchgrevink](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/borchgrevink/32/6321_2.png) [@borchgrevink](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/borchgrevink)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2018, 6:58pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/ftp-higher-on-inclines-than-flat-stretch/7606/5 "2018-12-10T18:58:03Z")
Well, I use a powermeter, no virtual power, so result is real. Did you read the lik in original post? ---
**Author:** ![hugo1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/hugo1/32/13355_2.png) [@hugo1](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/hugo1)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2018, 7:04pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/ftp-higher-on-inclines-than-flat-stretch/7606/6 "2018-12-10T19:04:20Z")
Yes, I’ve read it, and known about the effect since before I read it. Watch Shane Miller explain it: [Wahoo Kickr ERG Mode - Does Gear Selection Matter? - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHUOhmG04M8) The ramp test itself doesn’t simulate a flat or inclined road. The inertia, kinetic energy, in your trainer flywheel does. But maybe I don’t understand your question at all. The article you’re referring to however, I do understand. ---
**Author:** ![alexstenerson](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/alexstenerson/32/5407_2.png) [@alexstenerson](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/alexstenerson)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2018, 7:08pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/ftp-higher-on-inclines-than-flat-stretch/7606/7 "2018-12-10T19:08:45Z")
I’m definitely faster/stronger on climbs than on flats. But I think a lot of it is mental, so I’ll never put that power down on a trainer. ---
**Author:** ![borchgrevink](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/borchgrevink/32/6321_2.png) [@borchgrevink](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/borchgrevink)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2018, 7:11pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/ftp-higher-on-inclines-than-flat-stretch/7606/8 "2018-12-10T19:11:42Z")
Thanks. Maybe I’m to blame, hehe. Previously I’ve only done tests in programs simulating high incline, with higher watts. ---
**Author:** ![hugo1](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/hugo1/32/13355_2.png) [@hugo1](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/hugo1)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2018, 7:55pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/ftp-higher-on-inclines-than-flat-stretch/7606/9 "2018-12-10T19:55:03Z")
Which makes you a “climber”, the type who performs best at low inertia. I’m using a Tacx wheel-on trainer, max resistance, with a power meter on my bike. It feels like pedaling in sand (steep hill). My outside riding is mostly on the flat. I don’t care much that my indoor training doesn’t feel like my outdoor riding - it’s cheap, quiet and I get fit. ---
**Author:** ![bbarrera](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/bbarrera/32/14734_2.png) [@bbarrera](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/bbarrera)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2018, 8:16pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/ftp-higher-on-inclines-than-flat-stretch/7606/10 "2018-12-10T20:16:44Z")
climbing out of the saddle will output more power because body weight is contributing to power output. And out-of-saddle also reduces muscle fatigue, but often increases demand on aerobic system. ---
**Author:** ![borchgrevink](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/borchgrevink/32/6321_2.png) [@borchgrevink](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/borchgrevink)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2018, 8:32pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/ftp-higher-on-inclines-than-flat-stretch/7606/11 "2018-12-10T20:32:02Z")
I’m sitting when paddeling.