# Fondo.cc app, another zwift competitor? **URL:** \ **Category:** Training\ **Created:** [October 25, 2023, 8:17pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/fondo-cc-app-another-zwift-competitor/87736 "2023-10-25T20:17:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![fleadram](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/fleadram/32/7721_2.png) [@fleadram](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/fleadram)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2023, 8:17pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/fondo-cc-app-another-zwift-competitor/87736/1 "2023-10-25T20:17:53Z")
Anyone heard about this new indoor training app [https://www.fondo.cc/](https://www.fondo.cc/) ? Seems interesting but also super early stage to say the least. I know nothing about it, just saw it mentioned on Reddit ---
**Author:** ![jcolp](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/jcolp/32/146093_2.png) [@jcolp](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/jcolp)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2023, 8:30pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/fondo-cc-app-another-zwift-competitor/87736/2 "2023-10-25T20:30:42Z")
With the closing of RGT they’ve posted in various places, but as of yet it doesn’t really exist so not too much to talk about. ---
**Author:** ![FergusYL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/fergusyl/32/80824_2.png) [@FergusYL](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/FergusYL)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 12:23am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/fondo-cc-app-another-zwift-competitor/87736/3 "2023-10-26T00:23:28Z")
Just signed up for the early access/public beta/etc. No indication of timing or anything, so we’ll see what happens. ---
**Author:** ![AlphaDogCycling](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/alphadogcycling/32/13863_2.png) [@AlphaDogCycling](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/AlphaDogCycling)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 1:54am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/fondo-cc-app-another-zwift-competitor/87736/4 "2023-10-26T01:54:49Z")
Yes - seems very early days. Interesting that it apparently is going for a more realistic visual look than Zwift (or RGT) ---
**Author:** ![Leah\_Pogoriler](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/leah_pogoriler/32/132452_2.png) [@Leah\_Pogoriler](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Leah_Pogoriler)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2023, 2:44am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/fondo-cc-app-another-zwift-competitor/87736/5 "2023-10-26T02:44:12Z")
Interesting; thanks for sharing. The uncanny-valleyness of Zwift is a big turnoff for me, but this looks cool. ---
**Author:** ![Power13](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/power13/32/92171_2.png) [@Power13](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Power13)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2023, 1:41pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/fondo-cc-app-another-zwift-competitor/87736/7 "2023-11-08T13:41:58Z")
Some great visuals obviously, but 2 quick points…. - visuals aren’t enough of a differentiator, IMO. You need to have a compelling reason to leave Zwift, which has ~10k users at any given time. Don’t really care how pretty the graphics are if I am just riding by myself. - I get that they are going for “realism”, but why are they wasting their time and graphic capacity putting potholes and cracks in the road? Just a waste of resources and distracting, based on the teaser video. ---
**Author:** ![Malcolm](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/malcolm/32/50804_2.png) [@Malcolm](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Malcolm)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2023, 8:06pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/fondo-cc-app-another-zwift-competitor/87736/9 "2023-11-10T20:06:51Z")
They appear to be using the Unreal engine, from a visual point of view is likely to be better than anything we have seen so far. Unfortunately it’s going to take a monumental effort to gain significant subscribers to lure people away from Zwift (and all of he other apps out there) I saw a video for ‘another’ new app the other day called indie velo, but they seem to focusing on the data with a view to becoming a ‘service’ that other platforms can use to validate performances etc. ---
**Author:** ![jcolp](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/jcolp/32/146093_2.png) [@jcolp](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/jcolp)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2023, 8:21pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/fondo-cc-app-another-zwift-competitor/87736/10 "2023-11-10T20:21:39Z")
Unlike Fondo, indieVelo actually exists and you can use it.