Feature request : bring back push/pull/delete weeks

Months ago? Pretty sure I used it in the last weeks and ran into this for the first time this week.

If not possible, at least some sort of option where you can select multiple items to delete vs one by one.

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Maybe push/pull gets switched off when you switch AT on?

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Been missing from my calendar for a long time, since I was on it since March, it could have been pulled then.

Maybe it is connected to AT then? I’m not at a PC to try an easy test until Monday.

No, I’ve tried turning off AT but nada unfortunately. Let’s hope the feature request reaches the responsible team and they bring it back :crossed_fingers:

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We’re brainstorming better/easier annotation for time off instead of pushing a week. For now; the recommended way to insert an extra rest week is to add a week of ‘vacation’, and now with Adaptive Training, the plan will adapt from there.
We removed push/pull functionality because in the context of PlanBuilder, where the end week of your plan is anchored by an event, pushing out a week isn’t a good experience since your plan would then spill past your ending event.

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Sure, we get that PB association, and it makes sense to lock out those tools in that specific context.

BUT… considering that the recently added ability to use “regular” plans added manually as controlled by AT, it seems like having the original P/P functionality would be appropriate. These are not necessarily bound by the same event-based restrictions as PB.

These processes below (spurred from comments by Nate years ago) are using those old P/P tools to a great degree.

I have no idea if I still plan to use my alternate method of applying TR plans, but if I choose to do that now, it will be a MASSIVE pain in the rear to handle without those tools.

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I understand the thinking but for some of us we really dont have a real event date. We pick a date to keep plan builder happy. I aim to be at my strongest in late spring. No real reason as I dont race or do any events. I just like to be good at the start of my outside riding.

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Plus those of us who are on self-built plans could really use this functionality.

I get TR is focused mainly on those athletes who are using Plan Builder tied to an event, but I would surmise (since I have zero access to TR user data) that there is still a substantial number of TR users who either 1). Build their own plans from TR plan components; 2). build completely custom plans from a combination of TR + custom workouts. And right now, it feels like not only is TR not adding features for these 2 groups, but is in ways making them worse off - the removal of push / pull / delete weeks is an example; the half implementation of sync’d TrainingPeaks workouts is another - half implementation as there is no way to turn this off, and your custom workouts list gets polluted by the sync’d TP workouts with no way to clean this up.

So this is a plea to think of your members’ experience who aren’t just using Plan Builder when building / modifying features.

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Definitely hear you all, to reiterate, we’re brainstorming internally a better/easier way for athletes to do this.

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Not to belabor the point, but before building something, please run it past some folks you fit into the target user segment. From working in a software company, it is really easy to think something you want to build is straight forward, and then have users come to a completely different opinion as they think of the problem differently :thinking:

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If you guys decide to not bring it back, at least consider a delete button for full weeks. I really do think the calendar part should have no dependencies and should stay a ‘’neutral‘’ planning space for all type of users.

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Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I DEFINITELY want the push week! I am also the guy who asked repeatedly for a PUSH DAY for people like me who can afford to push their plans based on life. Life intervenes constantly and I do not need a weekly periodization. So please bring back the PUSH WEEK and also consider a PUSH DAY, especially for people who are not targeting specific events/races. I need to control my schedule right now a lot more than I need a specific landing schedule for an event. For what it’s worth, I push weeks so I can have an open week beyond the current one so I can MANUALLY push days out and fill back in. Inevitably I catch up and pull back weeks and days, but right now I’m doing it manually. For TR staff, the smarter you make us, the more we want to have customized control of our schedules. You are doing your part to make us smarter, but the program needs to accommodate us getting smarter and even (this would be a shocker) caution us if our personal tweaks are somehow not contributing to going faster… The goal here is superior automated coaching, and that should be a system that allows the athlete to customize the automation as they find out what works. My two cents.

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Push week was one of the best features in TR- not in calendar but in whole TR ecosystem. We want to push our weeks again!:wink:

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The idea of using a control called “annotations” to modify a calendar does not appear to be great UX.

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For what its worth. Adding the “time-off” annotation worked well for me with PB/AT adapting and pushing the week. :ok_hand:t4:

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How was your current plan added, Plan Builder or manually?

If Plan Builder, do you have a target event/date, or just a plan added with not target?

Current plan was added manually. I really enjoy researching training information and planning it, that’s part of the whole experience/process.
It’s not the end of the world, I can work my way around it. But felt like the request needed a place on the forum, also as feedback from more users for the TR team.

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Oh please come on! This is awful!

Just tried it by adding a new base phase into my calendar (after months of riding outside, with structure, mind you - but my own). And indeed - no pushing etc. possible anymore. Do you really expect me now to painstakingly pick every single workout and move it along as my needs dictate it? I don’t want to use adaptive training (or just let it trot by passively and may note what it suggests). I want to have Trainerroad staying the versatile tool catering for indoor training it once was.

The way this feature removal pans out is awfully close the way all those social media services push down their algorithms down the throat of their users. “No, you don’t want a linear time feed, We know best what to show you!”

This is aggravating!
Please put this functionality back on!

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Absolutely this!

I’m constantly wondering, how much motivation, enthusiasm and knowledge the TR team shows and broadcasts in the Podcasts and yet how narrowminded the product development is pointed seemingly singleminded to a very specific and very narrow picture of a typical time-crunched MAMIL (middle aged men in lycra) and how to best prescribe them a no-brainer-you-just-hop-on-the-trainer program is.

Mind you - they may have user data to back up this by probably a high percentage of their customer base. But that can’t be this overwhelmingly large to completely snub all the rest of the bell curve. The power users as well as every day dad and every day mum who just want to make room for something - be it a single day or a single week.

When I use the TR calendar, I want to push weeks all the time.
Because I may already populate the calendar with maybe part of a plan in advance, or because I put my own plan together with much manual labor and don’t want to lose that work but have the need to postpone the start of that program etc. etc.

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I would know a way. Simply put this functionality back on the way as it was.

In regard to the plan builder I’d happily add my old and still standing judgement that this feature is woefully underprepared to build plans because it already falls short at the very start. It simply can’t cater for a very simple request: you wan’t to train 8 to 10 hours (or even more at times) but want to have 2 days not populated by workouts. Or even three. Perfectly valid training plans of this volume with just 4 days a week are possible. With 5 days a week not only possible, but very much the norm.

That even is before the fact that there may be other workouts one want to include and keep space for. Say strength and conditioning.

And it is also completely before the fact that the plan builder still populates the calendar with the known sweet spot base plans and others from the other phases which might or might not be ideal for or wanted by the individual customer.

So no - every functionality you hinge upon that very assumption or even need, that the customer is leveraging Plan Builder is rather wasted for a great deal of people like me where that aformentioned criteria are absolute (and very basic might I add) requirements for Plan Builder to even become remotely considered.

And I also like to add - that would be a way more low hanging fruit than all the time spent for Adaptive Training. What’s not to say that with continuing efforts AT might become really interesting over the medium to long-term future. So please keep experimenting and learning with it - but not to the detriment of users who’s like to put “real” intelligence instead of artificial one to work on their workouts and calendars.

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