# Canyon H36 cockpit stem length wierdness **URL:** \ **Category:** Equipment\ **Created:** [January 22, 2020, 1:20pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/canyon-h36-cockpit-stem-length-wierdness/28397 "2020-01-22T13:20:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ChrisL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/chrisl/32/7757_2.png) [@ChrisL](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/ChrisL)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 1:20pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/canyon-h36-cockpit-stem-length-wierdness/28397/1 "2020-01-22T13:20:17Z")
I’ve been riding medium sized Canyon Ultimates for a few years now. The first one had a 100mm stem and I used 3T ergonova bars. This worked fine. Last year I bought a new frame with the integrated H36 cockpit. This was also a 100mm stem. Las year when I went for a bike fit the fitter raised his eyebrows somewhat at the reported stem length and reckoned it was effectively at least 120mm. Anyway, he said it was just about within my flexibility range. I’ve measured the cockpit myself, and with reach taken into account, as far as I can tell it is definitely 120mm. I’m only mentioning this today as I rode this bike for the first time in a few months yesterday and it killed my back. Pretty sure I’m going to swap it out now, which is a shame as it looks so cool… So, is anyone else riding the H36, and do you find it too be a bit of a stretch? ---
**Author:** ![Power13](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/power13/32/92171_2.png) [@Power13](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Power13)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 1:33pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/canyon-h36-cockpit-stem-length-wierdness/28397/2 "2020-01-22T13:33:39Z")
Yeah, in my experience (Canyon Aeroad SLX 8.0), Canyon measures their stems shorter than they are. Don’t remember the exact numbers, but I think my bike came with a claimed 100mm stem, but it measured much closer to 110 c-to-c, not 100. When I ordered a new integrated system (although not directly from Canyon), I had the same issue. The 110 measured more like a 120. ---
**Author:** ![RyanSpivey](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/ryanspivey/32/7746_2.png) [@RyanSpivey](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/RyanSpivey)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2020, 5:47pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/canyon-h36-cockpit-stem-length-wierdness/28397/3 "2020-01-22T17:47:05Z")
I seem to recall something about Canyon measuring their integrated bar/stem setups differently than a two-piece setup. I have their V13 stem (110mm +/-6) and their H16 bars on my Aeroad 8.0 and I seem to recall if I had bumped up to the Di2/intergrated cockpit model it would’ve been roughly 10mm longer at the bars. ---
**Author:** ![ChrisL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/chrisl/32/7757_2.png) [@ChrisL](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/ChrisL)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2020, 12:48pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/canyon-h36-cockpit-stem-length-wierdness/28397/4 "2020-01-28T12:48:59Z")
100mm?? The grey is the centreline of the bar… [![Google Photos](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/original/3X/9/a/9a95c2f0b256e52bee1ff9bf1419b1a10b2535ec.jpeg "New item by Chris L") ](https://photos.app.goo.gl/5iww7SnNruKXgc8cA) ---
**Author:** ![SteveCoulson](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/stevecoulson/32/10768_2.png) [@SteveCoulson](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/SteveCoulson)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2020, 1:53pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/canyon-h36-cockpit-stem-length-wierdness/28397/5 "2020-01-28T13:53:43Z")
Ive hadthe h36 for a couple of years now and alays thought the same, until I compared it to a regular bar stem combo. I think the difference comes with the width of the top of the ‘bars’ as my 90/390 was literally mm’s out with the same stem bar. because the top ofthe bars are so wide people tend to measure midway but you really need to measure to just past the T where the junction is. I love mine ---
**Author:** ![grayham](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/grayham/32/16781_2.png) [@grayham](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/grayham)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2020, 6:20pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/canyon-h36-cockpit-stem-length-wierdness/28397/6 "2020-01-28T18:20:31Z")
It’s hard to see from that photo where the end of your tape is. Are you measuring from the centre of the bolt? ---
**Author:** ![ChrisL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/chrisl/32/7757_2.png) [@ChrisL](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/ChrisL)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2020, 7:02pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/canyon-h36-cockpit-stem-length-wierdness/28397/7 "2020-01-28T19:02:19Z")
Yes centre of the bolt This photo shows where the grey line is in relation to the bar centre… ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/original/3X/7/0/703c1fe5b1d683d632c57ded5a0b9952cc129870.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![ChrisL](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/chrisl/32/7757_2.png) [@ChrisL](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/ChrisL)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2020, 7:03pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/canyon-h36-cockpit-stem-length-wierdness/28397/8 "2020-01-28T19:03:24Z")
I love the way they look, and I like the drop on them, but I just feel too stretched out on them - which is why I measured them in the first place… ---
**Author:** ![grayham](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/grayham/32/16781_2.png) [@grayham](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/grayham)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2020, 7:19pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/canyon-h36-cockpit-stem-length-wierdness/28397/9 "2020-01-28T19:19:05Z")
Hmm, mine are in storage at the moment, but I do remember measuring them and concluding that the length from the centre of the headset preload bolt (i.e. centre of the steerer tube) to the ‘effective’ centre of the bars was bang on what it was claimed to be. Do you feel stretched out when on the tops, the hoods or the drops (or all of them)? When on the tops I think the rear surface is where the heel of my hand locates, so I would consider the effective centreline of the tops to be about a normal bar radius forward of the rear surface of the bars, if that makes sense!? ---
**Author:** ![grayham](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/grayham/32/16781_2.png) [@grayham](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/grayham)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2020, 7:20pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/canyon-h36-cockpit-stem-length-wierdness/28397/10 "2020-01-28T19:20:32Z")
From your tape though, if it’s really 100 mm to the rear surface of your bars then something is wrong - either yours aren’t 100 mm ones at all, the other end slipped or someone has messed with your tape! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![philrcook](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/philrcook/32/15797_2.png) [@philrcook](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/philrcook)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2020, 8:54pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/canyon-h36-cockpit-stem-length-wierdness/28397/11 "2020-01-28T20:54:45Z")
You know there are 7 different sizes of H36 cockpit available? ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/original/3X/0/c/0ceca086390afa52376da5eb97721c794795fe95.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![grayham](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/grayham/32/16781_2.png) [@grayham](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/grayham)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2020, 2:24pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/canyon-h36-cockpit-stem-length-wierdness/28397/12 "2020-02-04T14:24:59Z")
I wonder why there’s no 110 option? ---
**Author:** ![grayham](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/grayham/32/16781_2.png) [@grayham](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/grayham)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2020, 2:38pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/canyon-h36-cockpit-stem-length-wierdness/28397/13 "2020-02-04T14:38:23Z")
OK, I’ve got my bike back now and have measured mine. Turns out I have the H11 bars, not H36. No idea what the difference is. 25 I guess. Anyway, mine are supposed to be 100 mm long and, from the centre of the stem bolt, 100 mm is a bit over 10 mm past the trailing edge of the bars. So not far from where the centreline of where some round bars would be. I do think that the trailing edge is the best reference point for the tops, due to the angle of one’s arms and hands. Anyway, here’s a photo to confirm: ![_20200204_143035](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/original/3X/6/3/633d3f6cbb91572ccf67459e687bcfda5c1068ee.jpeg) ![_20200204_142940](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/original/3X/b/a/ba5652ae7b0af2759b8b77a9ce79184c8caba7e7.jpeg)