# Beet Juice vs Caffeine What has more benefits? **URL:** \ **Category:** Nutrition\ **Created:** [July 18, 2019, 5:11pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/beet-juice-vs-caffeine-what-has-more-benefits/18386 "2019-07-18T17:11:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![apond58](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/f9ae1b/32.png) [@apond58](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/apond58)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 9:17pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/beet-juice-vs-caffeine-what-has-more-benefits/18386/21 "2019-07-19T21:17:16Z")
Caffine is real, beet juice is a placebo. So both work. ---
**Author:** ![Nate\_Pearson](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/nate_pearson/32/117463_2.png) [@Nate\_Pearson](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Nate_Pearson)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 9:27pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/beet-juice-vs-caffeine-what-has-more-benefits/18386/22 "2019-07-19T21:27:53Z")
This is N=1, but I’ve never noticed an increase in power or a reduction in RPE with beet juice and I’m taking 800mg of concentrated nitrate. Caffeine is a total game changer. In the long races you can go from a RPE of 8-9 to an RPE of like 6-7 if you take 400mg. My best power numbers have come from high caffeine days. I think I get the most benefit on long stuff that hurts, rather than all out stuff. That being said I take beet juice in late night races where I wouldn’t take caffeine. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Doughnutman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/captain_doughnutman/32/7694_2.png) [@Captain\_Doughnutman](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Captain_Doughnutman)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 9:32pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/beet-juice-vs-caffeine-what-has-more-benefits/18386/23 "2019-07-19T21:32:07Z")
> [@apond58](#): > > beet juice is a placebo Tell that to someone having a heart attack. ---
**Author:** ![AlphaDogCycling](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/alphadogcycling/32/13863_2.png) [@AlphaDogCycling](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/AlphaDogCycling)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 11:11pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/beet-juice-vs-caffeine-what-has-more-benefits/18386/24 "2019-07-19T23:11:51Z")
Why is this one or the other? Just drink [UNBEETABREW](https://purecleanperformance.com/unbeetabrew-the-worlds-first-beet-infused-performance-coffee/?utm_source=ctsnewsletter&utm_medium=email) - The World’s First Beet-Infused Performance Coffee 😜 ---
**Author:** ![maxton](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/maxton/32/2759_2.png) [@maxton](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/maxton)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 11:30pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/beet-juice-vs-caffeine-what-has-more-benefits/18386/25 "2019-07-19T23:30:23Z")
We can speculate, I am not aware of any study combining them both , but I think you got to put it into perspective. Both have documented performance enhancements but nitrate has less effect on well trained people. Feeling an effect of 1-3% is pretty hard compared to untrained where the enhancements have had higher meassurements. Caffeine play mind tricks 🙂 But the tricky part with caffeine is that there are 3 different genotypes that responds differently to caffine. Inone genotype there is not uncommon to see decline in performance when using caffeine. So studies becomes really tricky when you compare them to each other. They dont take into account the genotype in the studies, so one group in one study can randomly have a majority that are high respondera to caffeine, the other study vice versa… then throw in beet juice to the mix, training history etc and it starts to get complicated 🙂 So back to the original question… I dont believe they will take one or the other out, but likely many of us are fit enough for beet juice to have a really small gain where caffeine regardless play mind tricks and can push you a bit harder, fit or unfit 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Doughnutman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/captain_doughnutman/32/7694_2.png) [@Captain\_Doughnutman](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Captain_Doughnutman)\ **Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 11:57pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/beet-juice-vs-caffeine-what-has-more-benefits/18386/26 "2019-07-19T23:57:09Z")
> [@AlphaDogCycling](#): > > Just drink [UNBEETABREW](https://purecleanperformance.com/unbeetabrew-the-worlds-first-beet-infused-performance-coffee/?utm_source=ctsnewsletter&utm_medium=email) 🤦‍♂️ So after the nitrate and caffeine negate each other, you’re left with a $50 bag of mushroom water. I’ll pass, thanks. ---
**Author:** ![kryton57](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/a8b319/32.png) [@kryton57](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/kryton57)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 6:58pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/beet-juice-vs-caffeine-what-has-more-benefits/18386/27 "2019-07-20T18:58:39Z")
[https://www.peakendurancesport.com/nutrition-for-endurance-athletes/supplements/caffeine-beetroot-juice-two-supplements-better-one/](https://www.peakendurancesport.com/nutrition-for-endurance-athletes/supplements/caffeine-beetroot-juice-two-supplements-better-one/)] > **[No individual or combined effects of caffeine and beetroot-juice...](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29444414/)** > > Dietary supplements such as caffeine and beetroot juice are used by athletes in an attempt to optimize performance and therefore gain an advantage in competition. The aim of this study was to investigate the individual and combined effects of... > **[How to use Caffeine and Beetroot to enhance performance](https://bindinutrition.com.au/caffeine_beetroot/)** > > There are a number of natural supplements which are actually proven to enhance performance, with caffeine and beetroot the most popular right now. To make life simple, we have put together a handy guide on how to use these supplements to get the most... ---
**Author:** ![Junio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/82dd89/32.png) [@Junio](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Junio)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 6:04pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/beet-juice-vs-caffeine-what-has-more-benefits/18386/28 "2019-07-22T18:04:08Z")
Thanks i got the recipe will try it thanks again ---
**Author:** ![Junio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/82dd89/32.png) [@Junio](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Junio)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 6:07pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/beet-juice-vs-caffeine-what-has-more-benefits/18386/29 "2019-07-22T18:07:41Z")
Aaaaaand the answer is what? Did you notice a difference? And confirm that you did not ingest caffeine during your preloading or during the race. ---
**Author:** ![Junio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/82dd89/32.png) [@Junio](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Junio)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 6:11pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/beet-juice-vs-caffeine-what-has-more-benefits/18386/30 "2019-07-22T18:11:31Z")
Thanks for the links will read them in just a few thanks again!! ---
**Author:** ![Junio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/82dd89/32.png) [@Junio](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Junio)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 6:15pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/beet-juice-vs-caffeine-what-has-more-benefits/18386/31 "2019-07-22T18:15:20Z")
Thanks!! I will try your system. In my long races I have only taken 75mg caffeine. I guess I need to increase my dosage. Thanks again for the quick response. ---
**Author:** ![Junio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/82dd89/32.png) [@Junio](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Junio)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 6:18pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/beet-juice-vs-caffeine-what-has-more-benefits/18386/32 "2019-07-22T18:18:21Z")
Interesting, Thanks for the response!! ---
**Author:** ![Junio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/82dd89/32.png) [@Junio](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Junio)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 6:19pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/beet-juice-vs-caffeine-what-has-more-benefits/18386/33 "2019-07-22T18:19:20Z")
Lol Alpha Dog has got jokes ---
**Author:** ![Junio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/82dd89/32.png) [@Junio](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Junio)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 6:20pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/beet-juice-vs-caffeine-what-has-more-benefits/18386/34 "2019-07-22T18:20:22Z")
Thanks for the response ---
**Author:** ![Junio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/82dd89/32.png) [@Junio](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Junio)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 6:21pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/beet-juice-vs-caffeine-what-has-more-benefits/18386/35 "2019-07-22T18:21:26Z")
Yikes!!! thanks for the response ---
**Author:** ![Junio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/82dd89/32.png) [@Junio](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Junio)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 6:23pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/beet-juice-vs-caffeine-what-has-more-benefits/18386/36 "2019-07-22T18:23:42Z")
Thanks for the response, What about Beta Alanine are you taking that as well? ---
**Author:** ![Junio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/82dd89/32.png) [@Junio](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Junio)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 6:27pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/beet-juice-vs-caffeine-what-has-more-benefits/18386/37 "2019-07-22T18:27:48Z")
Thanks for the tip. I’m a US expat living in Spain rhubarb is not common I will look and see if it is available and give it go. Arugula should not be a problem. Thanks again ---
**Author:** ![Junio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/82dd89/32.png) [@Junio](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Junio)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 6:33pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/beet-juice-vs-caffeine-what-has-more-benefits/18386/38 "2019-07-22T18:33:59Z")
Thanks I hear ya, the caffeine gels. They are distinctly different tasting thanks for the quick response. Just a follow up question. I like the longer XCM and ultra distance XCM. What did you do during Cape Epic, when you where in the saddle for extend periods? And congrats with all your accomplishments Cape Epic is also a huge accomplishment as well!! ---
**Author:** ![Junio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/82dd89/32.png) [@Junio](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Junio)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2019, 7:01pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/beet-juice-vs-caffeine-what-has-more-benefits/18386/39 "2019-07-22T19:01:35Z")
Thanks!!! I just read the articles and got sidetracked on some other related studies. Very good and informative. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![cinzanoframepump](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/cinzanoframepump/32/25963_2.png) [@cinzanoframepump](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/cinzanoframepump)\ **Post date:** [July 23, 2019, 4:22am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/beet-juice-vs-caffeine-what-has-more-benefits/18386/40 "2019-07-23T04:22:30Z")
> [@Nate\_Pearson](#): > > Caffeine is a total game changer. In the long races you can go from a RPE of 8-9 to an RPE of like 6-7 if you take 400mg. My best power numbers have come from high caffeine days. Nate are you saying 400 total, or 400 per hour, or what? [Previous page](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/beet-juice-vs-caffeine-what-has-more-benefits/18386.md?page=1) [Next page](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/beet-juice-vs-caffeine-what-has-more-benefits/18386.md?page=3)