# AT - Successful "Stretch"= +0 PL / Failed "Productive" = +0.8 PL? **URL:** \ **Category:** TrainerRoad Software\ **Created:** [August 22, 2021, 3:32pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/at-successful-stretch-0-pl-failed-productive-0-8-pl/62252 "2021-08-22T15:32:51Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![jdlbb](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/jdlbb/32/68415_2.png) [@jdlbb](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/jdlbb)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2021, 3:32pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/at-successful-stretch-0-pl-failed-productive-0-8-pl/62252/1 "2021-08-22T15:32:51Z")
![Screen Shot 2021-08-22 at 11.30.09 AM](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/original/3X/b/a/bacace1f2d5382e83141d8b967ca7244676fb043.png) Does this make sense to anyone? ---
**Author:** ![hubcyclist](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/hubcyclist/32/14363_2.png) [@hubcyclist](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/hubcyclist)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2021, 3:56pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/at-successful-stretch-0-pl-failed-productive-0-8-pl/62252/2 "2021-08-22T15:56:32Z")
on the surface no, but does your progression level on the main page reflect vo2 level being 5.4 now? ---
**Author:** ![jdlbb](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/jdlbb/32/68415_2.png) [@jdlbb](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/jdlbb)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2021, 4:11pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/at-successful-stretch-0-pl-failed-productive-0-8-pl/62252/3 "2021-08-22T16:11:38Z")
Yes. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/original/3X/2/f/2fa361a2bfc450467cc729d5064ff3ddc1a94041.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Garf](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bbce88/32.png) [@Garf](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Garf)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 12:23pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/at-successful-stretch-0-pl-failed-productive-0-8-pl/62252/4 "2021-08-23T12:23:27Z")
Contact support? Feature is still in beta. ---
**Author:** ![berto2cj](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/berto2cj/32/4413_2.png) [@berto2cj](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/berto2cj)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 12:51pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/at-successful-stretch-0-pl-failed-productive-0-8-pl/62252/5 "2021-08-23T12:51:18Z")
It depends how you answered the surveys really. What did you do in response to whiteleaf? Also check web vs. app - there were differences in the known issues… ---
**Author:** ![jdlbb](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/jdlbb/32/68415_2.png) [@jdlbb](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/jdlbb)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 1:18pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/at-successful-stretch-0-pl-failed-productive-0-8-pl/62252/6 "2021-08-23T13:18:22Z")
![Screen Shot 2021-08-23 at 9.13.07 AM](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/original/3X/b/d/bd86cfa040ae3b0448ff16d81f7f08143d9869b7.png) So, interestingly I also failed my “productive” workout after Whiteleaf and got a bump in my PL. My response to Whiteleaf and Hanover was “training fatigue” as the cause of my failure. I’m having a hard time understating how failing workouts leads to increases in my PL… ---
**Author:** ![SeanHurley](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/seanhurley/32/55555_2.png) [@SeanHurley](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/SeanHurley)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 1:26pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/at-successful-stretch-0-pl-failed-productive-0-8-pl/62252/7 "2021-08-23T13:26:27Z")
This definitely looks like unintended behavior. Shoot [support@trainerroad.com](mailto:support@trainerroad.com) an email! ---
**Author:** ![berto2cj](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/berto2cj/32/4413_2.png) [@berto2cj](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/berto2cj)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 1:30pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/at-successful-stretch-0-pl-failed-productive-0-8-pl/62252/8 "2021-08-23T13:30:16Z")
Email support and report back if you think the learnings are worth sharing. My gut take is that these are pretty low levels at 2.4 and 3.6. The response of training fatigue might point back to lowering Vo2max (or not increasing it) as that was what caused the ‘fail’ vs. threshold 2.4 being too hard. Don’t overthink this…PLs help get you a workout that’s most likely to be successful for you and develop your growth. When you take a FTP test they reset to 1 and you start finding the next best workouts at your new FTP. ---
**Author:** ![specialized26](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/specialized26/32/7721_2.png) [@specialized26](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/specialized26)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 5:50pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/at-successful-stretch-0-pl-failed-productive-0-8-pl/62252/9 "2021-08-23T17:50:09Z")
I noticed the same thing. I did a mild stretch workout and rated it hard. Passed with no problem and had +0 but my progression levels noted an increase. I redid the survey and rated it moderate (more accurate once I read the descriptions) and it shows a +1.1 reflecting the increase on the progression level. ---
**Author:** ![berto2cj](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/berto2cj/32/4413_2.png) [@berto2cj](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/berto2cj)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 6:24pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/at-successful-stretch-0-pl-failed-productive-0-8-pl/62252/10 "2021-08-23T18:24:53Z")
> [@AT: Easy vs Moderate vs Hard vs ... \[Pass / Success Survey Responses\]](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/at-easy-vs-moderate-vs-hard-vs-pass-success-survey-responses/60585/26): > > I am attempting to pool some info here for reference, along with my thoughts on it that I hope TR can review and comment. [Source Google Sheet](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KQyXTQ3IbmYLys2veC3dhWFNicLIYe_rxqj7F5XzzM0/edit?usp=sharing) I have more comments to add and I would like to see what else we can learn. As of now, this is more confusing than helpful to me. check this one…other chads work might help ---
**Author:** ![jdlbb](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/jdlbb/32/68415_2.png) [@jdlbb](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/jdlbb)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2021, 8:58pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/at-successful-stretch-0-pl-failed-productive-0-8-pl/62252/11 "2021-08-23T20:58:12Z")
From support: > Unfortunately, it looks like you’re running into a known issue here. You’re correct in thinking that Adaptive Training shouldn’t be updating your Progression Level in the case of these two workouts. That said, we’re actively working on a solution so that this won’t be a problem in the future 🙂 > > Even though you’re running into this issue, it’s only affecting the frontend display of your Progression Levels. On the backend, Adaptive Training should still recommend your upcoming workouts correctly based on the information from Whiteleaf and Hanover. Therefore, you should be able to continue using Adaptive Training and accept any pending recommendations with confidence that they are correct. ---
**Author:** ![berto2cj](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/berto2cj/32/4413_2.png) [@berto2cj](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/berto2cj)\ **Post date:** [August 24, 2021, 3:45pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/at-successful-stretch-0-pl-failed-productive-0-8-pl/62252/12 "2021-08-24T15:45:58Z")
womp womp, thanks for sharing !!!