# AI FTP Detection Is Now Available for Everyone! 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Created:** [November 30, 2022, 9:32pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/ai-ftp-detection-is-now-available-for-everyone/78237 "2022-11-30T21:32:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![mcneese.chad](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mcneese.chad/32/15056_2.png) [@mcneese.chad](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/mcneese.chad)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2023, 8:49pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/ai-ftp-detection-is-now-available-for-everyone/78237/92 "2023-01-10T20:49:16Z")
> [@Eightball](#): > > In regards to AI FTP detection is it going to take into account the swims and runs? - No, I don’t think any non-cycling work is considered (_totally ignored as you mention_). > [@Eightball](#): > > Maybe it’s worth still doing the ramp test in my case? - You can test anytime you’d like. But if the AIFTPD value seems reasonable, I’d suggest doing a workout or two with that value to see how it feels. If it’s notably off for your feel & guess, then a test might make sense. - Essentially, run the AIFTPD to see what you get and go from there. > [@Eightball](#): > > In theory my cardio should get a bump from those other endurance sports that will help my FTP? - Maybe, maybe not. Considering the differences between the sports, and the related demands on our muscles and cardio system may vary a bit between them, I don’t know if there is an easy or clear way to connect A+B=C as you suggest. - It’s a possible factor, but I expect it’s far more nuanced and difficult to nail down. Just look at the relative difficulty of making this work with a single sport and input and you begin to see there is no “easy” answer here. ---
**Author:** ![Tiiimmmaaayyyy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/tiiimmmaaayyyy/32/89969_2.png) [@Tiiimmmaaayyyy](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Tiiimmmaaayyyy)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 9:54pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/ai-ftp-detection-is-now-available-for-everyone/78237/93 "2023-01-16T21:54:07Z")
Apologies if this has already been covered but I couldn’t see anything. If you complete a non TR ride (I know, awful thing to say), does that effort feed into and potentially increase your career level scores? ---
**Author:** ![mcneese.chad](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mcneese.chad/32/15056_2.png) [@mcneese.chad](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/mcneese.chad)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 9:56pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/ai-ftp-detection-is-now-available-for-everyone/78237/94 "2023-01-16T21:56:01Z")
The only workouts that affect Progression Levels on your TR career at the moment at “TR workouts” as completed on their app or via the “TR Outside Workout” function. All other “non-TR / unstructured” workouts are ignored from PL consideration. That is set to change whenever we finally get Workout Levels Version 2, that will consider ALL cycling workouts. However, ALL cycling workouts imported to TR ARE considered for AI FTP Detection. ---
**Author:** ![Tiiimmmaaayyyy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/tiiimmmaaayyyy/32/89969_2.png) [@Tiiimmmaaayyyy](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Tiiimmmaaayyyy)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 9:58pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/ai-ftp-detection-is-now-available-for-everyone/78237/95 "2023-01-16T21:58:53Z")
Thanks for the quick reply Chad, much appreciated đź‘Ť I thought as much but just wanted to check. ---
**Author:** ![Rizzi](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/rizzi/32/17674_2.png) [@Rizzi](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Rizzi)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 11:45pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/ai-ftp-detection-is-now-available-for-everyone/78237/96 "2023-01-16T23:45:58Z")
> [@mcneese.chad](#): > > All other “non-TR / unstructured” workouts are ignored from PL consideration. @Tiiimmmaaayyyy Except if you associate those with a TR workout. In that case you’ll gain the PL of the associated TR workout. Obvious to say that effort / structure should match as closely as possible. ---
**Author:** ![mcneese.chad](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mcneese.chad/32/15056_2.png) [@mcneese.chad](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/mcneese.chad)\ **Post date:** [January 16, 2023, 11:47pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/ai-ftp-detection-is-now-available-for-everyone/78237/97 "2023-01-16T23:47:21Z")
Yup, I tend to leave out the “hack” since it is misused frequently and leads to undesired results. For those that want to dive into that, they can dig around and find the related discussions. ---
**Author:** ![foldingbikebass](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/foldingbikebass/32/101743_2.png) [@foldingbikebass](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/foldingbikebass)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2023, 5:21pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/ai-ftp-detection-is-now-available-for-everyone/78237/98 "2023-01-18T17:21:55Z")
Although not mentioned in this thread, the associated blog post mentions: [FTP Testing is a Thing of the Past: Introducing AI FTP Detection - TrainerRoad Blog](https://www.trainerroad.com/blog/ftp-testing-is-a-thing-of-the-past-introducing-ai-ftp-detection/#:~:text=Instead%20of%20VO2%20max%20being%20a%20strict%20%E2%80%9C120%25%E2%80%9D%20of%20FTP%2C%20Adaptive%20Training%20allows%20your%20VO2max%20and%20all%20other%20zones%20to%20be%20personalized.%20It%20learns%20not%20only%20an%20athlete%E2%80%99s%20power%20curve%2C%20but%20also%20their%20repeatability%20in%20their%20specific%20zones). > Instead of VO2 max being a strict “120%” of FTP, Adaptive Training allows your VO2max and all other zones to be personalized. It learns not only an athlete’s power curve, but also their repeatability in their specific zones. Can the TR team explain how **repeatability** has been programmed into Adaptive Training or into Progression Levels? Because you could have high “power at VO2/MAP” etc (without getting into the debate of what VO2 Max power is) and/or repeatability, but there is only one set of VO2 progression levels and they appear at first glance to progress by intensity, length of interval and number of intervals. Or some combination of all three, but not clearly distinguishing between improvements in power curve **and** repeatability. Which means it is hard to know what workout progressions would be served by Adaptive Training to, for example, Athlete A with high power but poor repeatability vs Athlete B with lower power but excellent repeatability. Is this just me being over-pedantic or is TR jumping the gun with the marketing vs the current reality of AT using Progression Levels? I ask because differentiation between highest power and repeatability at Supra-threshold levels strikes me as a very useful thing. Presumably also for Anaerobic and Sprint. Also, my comments should be in a thread on AT, not AI FTP, but I couldn’t quickly find an appropriate thread and the blog is quoted here. Mea culpa. ---
**Author:** ![Nate\_Pearson](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/nate_pearson/32/117463_2.png) [@Nate\_Pearson](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Nate_Pearson)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 3:35pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/ai-ftp-detection-is-now-available-for-everyone/78237/99 "2023-01-31T15:35:58Z")
You bring up a good point. I think what you’re saying is you might be really good at repeating 1 min Vo2 max intervals but really bad at sustained VO2 max (compared to everyone else). Our plans keep you in a specific workout profile so this shouldn’t be an issue. But if you jump back and forth there’s a possibility of what you’re saying could happen. We also haven’t seen a big jump in completion rates when someone jumps between workout profiles. So although it could be happening, there’s not enough signal in there for us to worry. ---
**Author:** ![foldingbikebass](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/foldingbikebass/32/101743_2.png) [@foldingbikebass](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/foldingbikebass)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2023, 5:47pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/ai-ftp-detection-is-now-available-for-everyone/78237/100 "2023-01-31T17:47:11Z")
> Our plans keep you in a specific workout profile I.e. one plan will have you doing VO2 long repeats at 105-108%, another shorter punchier, another intermittent 30/30-60/60s or Billats, etc… and you typically won’t jump between the different kind of VO2 workouts within a plan block. Understood. ---
**Author:** ![Macy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/macy/32/6458_2.png) [@Macy](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Macy)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2023, 4:10pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/ai-ftp-detection-is-now-available-for-everyone/78237/101 "2023-02-04T16:10:01Z")
While I get that it’s not going to change that significantly, the 28 day lock was a pain in the ass this morning, as coming out of a recovery week and trying to adjust for next weeks work/ life schedule I can’t update FTP to bring forward the workouts for the long weekend. Only I had itchy fingers before the 28 day lock, I’d be locked out for 2 workouts at the start of the new block due to having to rearrange. I get not wanting people to update every week, but it would be useful if it was 25 days rather than 28, to give a bit of flexibility at the start of training blocks which are generally the 4 weeks, please @IvyAudrain @Nate_Pearson ---
**Author:** ![svens](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/svens/32/118037_2.png) [@svens](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/svens)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2023, 5:29pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/ai-ftp-detection-is-now-available-for-everyone/78237/103 "2023-02-04T17:29:14Z")
Yeah, agree. It does not even have to be shorter period but please make it 1 day precision, not just now() + 28d x 24h x 60min x 60sec. Otherwise it keeps shifting further and further unless I click on detect button immediately once blockout is lifted 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Rvital](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rvital](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Rvital)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2023, 10:41pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/ai-ftp-detection-is-now-available-for-everyone/78237/104 "2023-02-09T22:41:23Z")
I’ve been using TR for about 3 mo. I hate FTP Tests and the AI FTP seems to great to be true. I see my improvement daily but between each block, the AI FTP seems to increase my FTP my a fair amount… can I really trust it? I’m really doubting myself here so… ---
**Author:** ![DingleTower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9d8465/32.png) [@DingleTower](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/DingleTower)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2023, 10:43pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/ai-ftp-detection-is-now-available-for-everyone/78237/105 "2023-02-09T22:43:58Z")
Are you still nailing most workouts? If you are then things are going as planned. What do you consider a “fair amount” for your FTP increase? Before the three months on TR had you done much structure? There’s always the old adage “trust, but verify.” I know you hate them, I do to, but a ramp test can help verify if you really need to. ---
**Author:** ![Rvital](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rvital](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Rvital)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2023, 10:48pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/ai-ftp-detection-is-now-available-for-everyone/78237/106 "2023-02-09T22:48:28Z")
Yes, I can finish 95% of the workouts. Some easy, some moderate, some hard, really few really hard. My first Ramp test on TR was on November with 199, Then 213 in early December, 228 in early Jan then this week 235… I guess I started using AI FTP since the beginning of November. ---
**Author:** ![DingleTower](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/9d8465/32.png) [@DingleTower](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/DingleTower)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2023, 10:53pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/ai-ftp-detection-is-now-available-for-everyone/78237/107 "2023-02-09T22:53:27Z")
These numbers seem ok to me. Increases of 5 or 6ish percent. I’m coming off of mostly not riding through the summer and progressing about the same rate since October though the increases are starting to drop off. The early gains come a bit easier for most. I’d keep on keeping on if I were you and just enjoy the FTP bumps as they come. ---
**Author:** ![foldingbikebass](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/foldingbikebass/32/101743_2.png) [@foldingbikebass](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/foldingbikebass)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2023, 1:37pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/ai-ftp-detection-is-now-available-for-everyone/78237/108 "2023-03-09T13:37:51Z")
Like some others on this thread, my 28 days has got out of sync from my plan structure because I missed running it at the beginning of a 4 week phase somewhere. I’m 1.5 weeks away from the next Ramp test in my plan (my Tri Build is 12 not the standard 8 weeks, so I’m in my final hard week, then knockback week, then start of next 4 week block). The plan has a ramp test at the beginning of week 9. I’m 30-35 days since last AI FTP and was intending to wait for the ramp test to re-align. But then I deleted a planned time off next week and the plan adapted. This meant my brick tempo workout today dropped off to be replaced with a ramp test. With the ramp test in 1.5 weeks staying in. So: I don’t want to do a ramp today, it’s supposed to be Tempo Brick. To get a normal workout back in the schedule, I would need to run AI FTP and accept or not. Either way, I think it resets my 28 days. **Suggestion: Allow an override of the 28 days for any Ramp tests generated by plan builder or system to allow AI FTP to be kept in line with plan progressions.** The 28 day rule would still prevent itchy FTP syndrome, but solve for occasions where you forget to run the AI FTP at the beginning of a 4week/6week/8week/12week block. Or the plan changes significantly. ---
**Author:** ![Namasteve](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/namasteve/32/15262_2.png) [@Namasteve](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Namasteve)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2023, 8:49pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/ai-ftp-detection-is-now-available-for-everyone/78237/109 "2023-03-09T20:49:56Z")
I find it hilarious that the page telling me I have to wait 28 days until my next AI FTP Detection counts down the remaining time _to the second_. ---
**Author:** ![JoeX](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/joex/32/6640_2.png) [@JoeX](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/JoeX)\ **Post date:** [May 25, 2023, 3:37pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/ai-ftp-detection-is-now-available-for-everyone/78237/110 "2023-05-25T15:37:29Z")
> [@Nate\_Pearson](#): > > ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/original/3X/1/c/1c4c050cd63f7b3b3ebb084c41de1ae4cf9d3335.png) > > Here’s how athletes perform on the next workout after their FTP change. > > We’re actually EXACTLY in line with the Ramp Test. But as I said before, we have fewer “super pass” workouts which are indicative of a testing scoring someone too low. > > I also want to say we’ll never get 100% on this graph. Hi Nate, I’m wondering if you have graphs for say the second and third workouts, or maybe the second week after AIFTP detection? I’m discussing with forum members a lot about how even an inaccurate FTP would lead the system “correcting itself” though workout analysis, PLs and feedback, but I realise I am assuming this to be the case rather than knowing. I would think that if the 1st workout is a 95% pass rate across the customer base, then all other things being equal the second and third would be 95% if AIFTP was accurate in the first place, 96% or more if a significant amount of corrective activity is going on? [Previous page](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/ai-ftp-detection-is-now-available-for-everyone/78237.md?page=4)