# Adaptive Training Is Now Out of Beta & Fully Available to All TrainerRoad Athletes! **URL:** \ **Category:** TrainerRoad Software\ **Created:** [August 19, 2021, 4:20pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/adaptive-training-is-now-out-of-beta-fully-available-to-all-trainerroad-athletes/62164 "2021-08-19T16:20:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![ellotheth](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/ellotheth/32/71782_2.png) [@ellotheth](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/ellotheth)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 1:53pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/adaptive-training-is-now-out-of-beta-fully-available-to-all-trainerroad-athletes/62164/580 "2023-01-23T13:53:34Z")
> [@Dougal.Doughnut](#): > > Im pretty sure the traditional base plans don’t work with the Adaptive features. > > Its just the SS and Polarized that do. I don’t think this is true, based on [the FAQ](https://support.trainerroad.com/hc/en-us/articles/360061423451-Updated-Training-Plans-FAQ): ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/original/3X/b/b/bb8473542dba0ac0e38a63a902caa9c5dd1d2beb.png) They adapt even if you added them to your calendar [without Plan Builder](https://support.trainerroad.com/hc/en-us/articles/4404883724571-Does-Adaptive-Training-work-on-non-Plan-Builder-Training-Plans-): ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/original/3X/c/1/c1587f1f49fe4a4f61bd70b22f07c8c12f243ef8.png) ---
**Author:** ![ellotheth](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/ellotheth/32/71782_2.png) [@ellotheth](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/ellotheth)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 2:00pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/adaptive-training-is-now-out-of-beta-fully-available-to-all-trainerroad-athletes/62164/581 "2023-01-23T14:00:16Z")
> [@AlphaDogCycling](#): > > rating all of the workouts as “moderate”, and I’ve yet to get a single adaptation If _moderate_ is within the bounds of what that plan expects for those workouts, then AT has no reason to adapt future workouts. If you feel like the difficulty is off, you can fiddle with it by getting more dramatic with your responses (maybe _very easy_ to get harder workouts, maybe _hard_ to get easier workouts). ---
**Author:** ![hubcyclist](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/hubcyclist/32/14363_2.png) [@hubcyclist](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/hubcyclist)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 2:24pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/adaptive-training-is-now-out-of-beta-fully-available-to-all-trainerroad-athletes/62164/582 "2023-01-23T14:24:57Z")
i don’t understand how you would adapt traditional base? just add time, keep intensity around 65% ish. Adaptive training for endurance level rides is incredibly pointless ---
**Author:** ![mcneese.chad](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mcneese.chad/32/15056_2.png) [@mcneese.chad](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/mcneese.chad)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 2:36pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/adaptive-training-is-now-out-of-beta-fully-available-to-all-trainerroad-athletes/62164/583 "2023-01-23T14:36:48Z")
Adaptations will vary with each user. Consider that someone might come in brand new or with very low Progression Levels, but a decent level of fitness that Adaptive Training doesn’t “know”. It’s possible they would progress faster in terms of Endurance Workout Levels than the default plan applied for a low PL rider. Then consider that there is more to Traditional Base than pure Endurance workouts. Phase 1 is nearly Endurance exclusive, but Phases 2 & 3 step into plenty of Tempo, Sweet Spot and Threshold. As such, those will also be subject to rating and adaption. I get that people often consider Traditional Base as all Endurance, but the truth with respect to the TR plan versions is quite different. ---
**Author:** ![AlphaDogCycling](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/alphadogcycling/32/13863_2.png) [@AlphaDogCycling](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/AlphaDogCycling)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 2:46pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/adaptive-training-is-now-out-of-beta-fully-available-to-all-trainerroad-athletes/62164/584 "2023-01-23T14:46:03Z")
Since this is the first time I’m using AT, and not sure what should be happening. To Chad’s point, I threw in an endurance 5.0 workout - higher PL than the plan workouts - and that didn’t trigger an adaptations. So not sure if this is expected behavior or not ---
**Author:** ![mcneese.chad](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mcneese.chad/32/15056_2.png) [@mcneese.chad](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/mcneese.chad)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 2:54pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/adaptive-training-is-now-out-of-beta-fully-available-to-all-trainerroad-athletes/62164/585 "2023-01-23T14:54:54Z")
> [@AlphaDogCycling](#): > > I threw in an endurance 5.0 workout - higher PL than the plan workouts - - Exactly how did you do or add this to your TR calendar? - What was your Endurance PL before this workout and how did you rate that workout? - What phase are you currently in (presumably Phase 1)? - What are the Workout Levels for the upcoming Endurance workouts? As you can see, there are a number of details here, and likely more that I haven’t even touched upon. When in doubt, an email to TR is likely the best step for questions like this since they have direct access to so much more than we have on the forum, even when you provide decent info. ---
**Author:** ![AlphaDogCycling](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/alphadogcycling/32/13863_2.png) [@AlphaDogCycling](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/AlphaDogCycling)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 3:23pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/adaptive-training-is-now-out-of-beta-fully-available-to-all-trainerroad-athletes/62164/586 "2023-01-23T15:23:25Z")
Indoor TR workout I manually added to my calendar and completed successfully. I rated this workout as moderate. Looking back at my calendar, the PL increase was only 0.2 from 4.8 → 5.0 ---
**Author:** ![mcneese.chad](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mcneese.chad/32/15056_2.png) [@mcneese.chad](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/mcneese.chad)\ **Post date:** [January 23, 2023, 3:26pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/adaptive-training-is-now-out-of-beta-fully-available-to-all-trainerroad-athletes/62164/587 "2023-01-23T15:26:35Z")
OK, a 0.2 increase is rather small generally speaking, with 0.5 or so as what I see in general TR trends. Unless your pending workouts were at or below the 5.0 rating of the one you added and completed, I would not expect any changes to pending workouts. If you had made a jump of 0.75 or more, I would expect that to drive plenty of changes. ---
**Author:** ![AlphaDogCycling](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/alphadogcycling/32/13863_2.png) [@AlphaDogCycling](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/AlphaDogCycling)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2023, 10:48pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/adaptive-training-is-now-out-of-beta-fully-available-to-all-trainerroad-athletes/62164/588 "2023-01-28T22:48:49Z")
Pretty basic Adaptive Training Question: If I want to replace a scheduled weekend TR workout with an outside group ride (yes, I realize these aren’t the same), what’s the best way to do this: - Delete the TR workout and just do the ride? - Leave the workout on my calendar, but skip it and just do the outside ride? - Something else? I tried searching the TR Blog, but I couldn’t find the answer to this question. From searching the TR blog for the answer to this, it really feels like TR needs an Adaptive Training FAQ based off of the questions people ask in this forum on how best to use AT. ---
**Author:** ![asteryx](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/asteryx/32/25875_2.png) [@asteryx](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/asteryx)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2023, 2:12am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/adaptive-training-is-now-out-of-beta-fully-available-to-all-trainerroad-athletes/62164/589 "2023-02-01T02:12:53Z")
TR support has said before you can leave a skipped workout there or delete it. Either way, it doesn’t matter. aiFTP looks at all your completed rides. AT looks at all the TR workouts you’ve done. Those you skipped are ignored by these two features. So it becomes an esthetic choice: do you care if your calendar shows a bunch of untouched workouts? I don’t, so I don’t delete. ---
**Author:** ![AlphaDogCycling](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/alphadogcycling/32/13863_2.png) [@AlphaDogCycling](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/AlphaDogCycling)\ **Post date:** [February 1, 2023, 3:58am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/adaptive-training-is-now-out-of-beta-fully-available-to-all-trainerroad-athletes/62164/590 "2023-02-01T03:58:16Z")
Thanks ---
**Author:** ![markbaerd](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/markbaerd/32/132128_2.png) [@markbaerd](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/markbaerd)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2023, 2:48pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/adaptive-training-is-now-out-of-beta-fully-available-to-all-trainerroad-athletes/62164/591 "2023-02-08T14:48:48Z")
I’ve been looking for this same answer but instead of group rides I’m interested in seeing progressions from races. @AlphaDogCycling When it comes to group rides, I have tried finding a workout similar to it, uploading it to my Garmin and letting it run in the background. TR then gives me credit for the workout and the associated progression increases, if any. [@trainerroad](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/groups/trainerroad) Is there anyway to get progressions from races with AT? ---
**Author:** ![mcneese.chad](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/mcneese.chad/32/15056_2.png) [@mcneese.chad](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/mcneese.chad)\ **Post date:** [February 8, 2023, 2:54pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/adaptive-training-is-now-out-of-beta-fully-available-to-all-trainerroad-athletes/62164/592 "2023-02-08T14:54:05Z")
> [@markbaerd](#): > > Is there anyway to get progressions from races with AT? - Not until they release Workout Levels Version 2. That is the revamped analysis tool that aims to do a deeper review of any & all cycling files pulled into your TR calendar. ---
**Author:** ![patricksudol](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/patricksudol/32/133946_2.png) [@patricksudol](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/patricksudol)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2023, 3:48am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/adaptive-training-is-now-out-of-beta-fully-available-to-all-trainerroad-athletes/62164/593 "2023-02-09T03:48:33Z")
Got adaptations for my traditional training block which is supposed to start next week and I think TR is finally trying to kill me: ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/original/3X/9/c/9cb3bc2b0f28fc36174d5a7791e98eed17c3642f.jpeg) @ZackeryWeimer @IvyAudrain @SarahLaverty ---
**Author:** ![ciarrai](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/ciarrai/32/39721_2.png) [@ciarrai](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/ciarrai)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2023, 3:58am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/adaptive-training-is-now-out-of-beta-fully-available-to-all-trainerroad-athletes/62164/594 "2023-02-09T03:58:34Z")
HTFU! 😉 Haha, just kidding ---
**Author:** ![neva6](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/neva6/32/23540_2.png) [@neva6](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/neva6)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2023, 5:16pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/adaptive-training-is-now-out-of-beta-fully-available-to-all-trainerroad-athletes/62164/597 "2023-05-22T17:16:22Z")
So if I do a big Z2 Sunday ride instead of the scheduled SS ride, does AT do anything with that? Right now it just looks like it thinks I skipped the SS workout and is suggesting lower levels for the following weeks. This is kind of a big hole in the entire system especially when they used to promote going and doing a big Z2 ride on Sunday as a replacement for the shorter SS Sunday ride. ---
**Author:** ![ljuvlig-bawdy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/ljuvlig-bawdy/32/114749_2.png) [@ljuvlig-bawdy](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/ljuvlig-bawdy)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2023, 8:05pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/adaptive-training-is-now-out-of-beta-fully-available-to-all-trainerroad-athletes/62164/598 "2023-05-22T20:05:54Z")
Doesn’t do anything _yet_. When v2 is released then it’ll be included into AT, but nothing yet. Mind you AI FTP will look at the outside rides so it’ll improve your FTP eventually. [Previous page](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/adaptive-training-is-now-out-of-beta-fully-available-to-all-trainerroad-athletes/62164.md?page=28)