# 1 point increase in FTP! **URL:** \ **Category:** Training\ **Created:** [December 23, 2019, 12:53am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/1-point-increase-in-ftp/26341 "2019-12-23T00:53:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Motomystic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/motomystic/32/31285_2.png) [@Motomystic](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Motomystic)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 12:53am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/1-point-increase-in-ftp/26341/1 "2019-12-23T00:53:38Z")
Talk to me people…How disappointed should I be? I had high hopes to see an increase in FTP today after my ramp test. I came in rested, fueled, and ready to “bleed through the eyes”. I had hoped to see an increase of up to 5%. That’s 13.5 points, and I would have been pumped to see a 10 point jump. That’s on .1 increase in w/kg. This ramp test is after 8 weeks of SSBMV… Am I too ambitious? I feel like I know some of the answers, but I’d love to hear from the forum. I really expected better results… MUST…INCREASE…FTP and W/KG!! Thanks in advance ---
**Author:** ![Majoeric](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/majoeric/32/166482_2.png) [@Majoeric](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Majoeric)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 12:56am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/1-point-increase-in-ftp/26341/2 "2019-12-23T00:56:36Z")
Push harder. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![jacemano](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/jacemano/32/30118_2.png) [@jacemano](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/jacemano)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 1:31am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/1-point-increase-in-ftp/26341/3 "2019-12-23T01:31:25Z")
Hows your power curve changed? How are your repeats? Do you have more matches. When I did ssb1 I went up 7W. I was pissed then I realised the difference was that I could do hard efforts again and again. ---
**Author:** ![Motomystic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/motomystic/32/31285_2.png) [@Motomystic](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Motomystic)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 1:59am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/1-point-increase-in-ftp/26341/4 "2019-12-23T01:59:06Z")
@Majoeric Interesting…hadn’t thought of that. Thanks. I fell like your reply deserves an emoji I can’t seem to find. I’ll keep looking… ---
**Author:** ![Motomystic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/motomystic/32/31285_2.png) [@Motomystic](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Motomystic)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 2:02am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/1-point-increase-in-ftp/26341/5 "2019-12-23T02:02:20Z")
That is a good point…I haven’t thoroughly looked at the data, yet. I would like to believe that even if my FTP hasn’t really increased, I should be able to sustain threshold efforts longer, and potentially for longer durations at each interval. Time will tell… Thanks ---
**Author:** ![Fasterstronger](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/fasterstronger/32/7757_2.png) [@Fasterstronger](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Fasterstronger)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 2:47am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/1-point-increase-in-ftp/26341/6 "2019-12-23T02:47:30Z")
I’ve gone through similar with every test. I almost never see an increase and yet my endurance and repeatability has gone up over the years. I routinely test around 220 ish and yet all summer completed outdoor workouts with an ftp set at 240. My most recent test during ssbmv1 had me at 216 and I adjusted it to 240 without an issue in any workouts. Started ssbmv2 with a test of 216 and adjusted it to 250 and up until I got sick a couple of days ago had no trouble competing my workouts. There are a lot of factors ranging from the ramp test and where you are in training and how you handle V02, knowing where your balance of cadence to muscle strain/hr balance is, cooling, mental tougness, indoor vs outdoor ftp and many more. Try adjusting it if you feel it is too easy after a workout or two. ---
**Author:** ![Un-QuittingBikes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/bb73d2/32.png) [@Un-QuittingBikes](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Un-QuittingBikes)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 3:39am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/1-point-increase-in-ftp/26341/7 "2019-12-23T03:39:25Z")
If you’re coming in with a decent amount of fitness, you might not see huge gains in SSB1. Progress through the plans and you’ll see the improvements sooner or later. ---
**Author:** ![Motomystic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/motomystic/32/31285_2.png) [@Motomystic](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Motomystic)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 4:23am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/1-point-increase-in-ftp/26341/8 "2019-12-23T04:23:30Z")
> [@Un-QuittingBikes](#): > > If you’re coming in with a decent amount of fitness, you might not see huge gains in SSB1. @Un-QuittingBikes That’s a good point…I came into this SSB plan with good miles and pretty good fitness. I had over 7,000 outdoor miles when I started. Not a lot of junk in those miles, either. Not structured like TR miles, but mostly focused. That makes sense… ---
**Author:** ![jplucas14](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/jplucas14/32/12890_2.png) [@jplucas14](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/jplucas14)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 4:25am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/1-point-increase-in-ftp/26341/9 "2019-12-23T04:25:45Z")
Hope you’re not talking about the middle finger 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Motomystic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/motomystic/32/31285_2.png) [@Motomystic](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Motomystic)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 4:44am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/1-point-increase-in-ftp/26341/10 "2019-12-23T04:44:01Z")
Ha…that would be rude ---
**Author:** ![PusherMan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/pusherman/32/4266_2.png) [@PusherMan](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/PusherMan)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 8:19am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/1-point-increase-in-ftp/26341/11 "2019-12-23T08:19:22Z")
> [@Un-QuittingBikes](#): > > If you’re coming in with a decent amount of fitness, you might not see huge gains in SSB1. This. If you’re already in good shape and it sounds like you are, SSB1 is almost like an extended warm up. See how you process after SSB2 and build 👍 ---
**Author:** ![SSaldanha](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/ssaldanha/32/17730_2.png) [@SSaldanha](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/SSaldanha)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 8:22am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/1-point-increase-in-ftp/26341/12 "2019-12-23T08:22:49Z")
After SSBI MV I’ve decreased by - 1 point so you are fine mate. Don’t worry, it’s kind of usual not to get a higher FTP after base I. ---
**Author:** ![Macy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/macy/32/6458_2.png) [@Macy](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Macy)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 10:00am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/1-point-increase-in-ftp/26341/13 "2019-12-23T10:00:03Z")
After SSB1 mv i had the same, but I’m not really concerned. Yes, a bump would be nice, but I only see decent increases when there’s VO2 Max work. ---
**Author:** ![Nappe](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/nappe/32/9032_2.png) [@Nappe](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Nappe)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 11:12am UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/1-point-increase-in-ftp/26341/14 "2019-12-23T11:12:46Z")
Echoing what others have said, my FTP hasn’t risen dramatically, buy I’ve found that my tempo and sweetspot levels are so much easier to hold, I can just keep going at higher levels. I did a proper outside ride yesterday in a place I’ve not been to since before SSB1, and I’m knocking minutes off of my previous Strava times without destroying myself. ---
**Author:** ![Brandes](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/brandes/32/3049_2.png) [@Brandes](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Brandes)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 12:03pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/1-point-increase-in-ftp/26341/15 "2019-12-23T12:03:40Z")
1. How challenging was the workouts and workload for you? 2. How did you determine your FTP prior to this test? Because if it was a 20’ test and this was your first ramp test, this could actually be an improvement Many times if you dont see improvements its just feedback that the workload wasnt a sufficient stimulus to promote growth. Its not bad or good, its just feedback for you to see how much work you need. ---
**Author:** ![4ibanez](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/4ibanez/32/41353_2.png) [@4ibanez](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/4ibanez)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 2:04pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/1-point-increase-in-ftp/26341/16 "2019-12-23T14:04:27Z")
Agreed. I already had a decent FTP as a noob to structure, and I was a little disappointed not to get a bigger jump than 8w out of SSBMV1. But… I definitely feel stronger than +8w - I feel like I already have better muscular and mental endurance, and technique. These things don’t show up as a metric (esp if you don’t nail a Ramp Test, which is a skill on its own) - but I can guarantee I’ll feel like a much better rider out on the road. ---
**Author:** ![Motomystic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/motomystic/32/31285_2.png) [@Motomystic](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Motomystic)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 2:04pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/1-point-increase-in-ftp/26341/17 "2019-12-23T14:04:30Z")
Will do. Thanks 👍 ---
**Author:** ![Motomystic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/motomystic/32/31285_2.png) [@Motomystic](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Motomystic)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 2:05pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/1-point-increase-in-ftp/26341/18 "2019-12-23T14:05:43Z")
@Macy makes sense, thanks… ---
**Author:** ![Motomystic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/motomystic/32/31285_2.png) [@Motomystic](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Motomystic)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 2:07pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/1-point-increase-in-ftp/26341/19 "2019-12-23T14:07:00Z")
@4ibanez That’s great to hear. ---
**Author:** ![Motomystic](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/trainerroad/forum/user_avatar/www.trainerroad.com/motomystic/32/31285_2.png) [@Motomystic](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/u/Motomystic)\ **Post date:** [December 23, 2019, 2:14pm UTC](https://www.trainerroad.com/forum/t/1-point-increase-in-ftp/26341/20 "2019-12-23T14:14:48Z")
Well those are some good questions. I had a lot more hours and TSS before starting SSB. I felt the workouts were minimally challenging, but I “felt them in my legs”, I just was never crushed like much of my outside training made me feel. I am just staying consistent with the program. I think I will have a better idea of things in the coming weeks as I have a large mix of outside training and indoor TR sessions coming for January. I will be doing a bit more VO2 intervals and a lot of long, hard, (6+ hour) threshold and above riding. Cheers