Standard Mode gone?

[mcneese.chad]

1. communicate pre change, especially in the off season where people are using potentially every current feature. It’s not awesome to alter someones training in the midst of off season training. Thats 101 shit in devops, don;t affect prod during critical prod cycles.

• I don’t necessarily disagree with the idea of notification, but what would have changed in the outcome if you had been notified 30 days prior to the change?
• With literally tens of thousands of users, expecting to somehow time a change like this to “fit into a schedule” is a practical impossibility. People will always be in different stages of their training relative to others. There would be no possible way to make this change in a “perfect” time that would suit everyone.

2. TR has all this data about what the users are using (trainer types) for example. Is there no way to solicit that crowd to crowd test the potentially experience altering changes?

• It is possible that they did have people (outside of TR) testing these. Even with that, bugs and other issues will always slip through the cracks. It is a common issue with any level of tech.
• I have no idea if they did or did not include that type of testing, but there is no way to catch or prevent all issues.

3. Slap whoever did this.

• Any implication of violence is NOT welcome on this forum, PERIOD.
• Refrain from repeating this type of comment in the future.

[FargoCharlie]

RE: the Fe-c
I understand the claimed implications of Ant+ FE-C. Why not support both? Again, other apps do this with little issue…

RE: the bluetooth dongle.
Yeah you need it. it’s not a common dongle.

[FargoCharlie]

1. Forward knowledge promotes proactive workaround discussions, potential feedback, and likely prevents multiple threads asking what went missing (or at least a linkable reference point)

2. I don’t really have a comment for this. It’s speculative, but the evidence points to “probably not”

3. Figure of speech. Please make them sit in the corner and consider the implication of their actions. Also no puddings.

[FargoCharlie]

bump. this is a thing again on the current release. back to using old code…

[Geoff]

Hi there,

This is due to us moving to ANT+ FE-C for Wahoo KICKRs on our latest release. This was necessary to support KICKR cadence, and for various other reasons, but unfortunately ANT+ FE-C does not support standard mode.

If you pair your KICKR via Bluetooth, standard mode should be available.

Edit:
I do see your comments from March and, assuming you’re on Windows, we do now support native Bluetooth on Windows 10 so an additional dongle should not be necessary for pairing.

[FargoCharlie]

Wahoo Kickr not working post upgraded version

Potential workaround: Install a version of TR prior to March, don’t do the update. *You’ll need to do this everytime you run TR until a real solution is in place. Test Report back please. I fixed all of my 2017 Kickr issues with TR by doing this (including regaining standard mode). I’m using a TR installer from Sunday, ‎October ‎28, ‎2018, ‏‎10:08:45 AM, but I am assuming anything pre March would suffice. Check wherever you download stuff to see if you have an older installer. It’s evi…

Here’s a link to a thread where people who wont accept this can download old code…again.

[Geoff]

I do understand your frustation here and if you are happy using an older version of TrainerRoad to maintain standard mode over ANT+ you’re of course welcome to continue doing so.

It appears that one of your concerns in March was the need to purchase an additional dongle to continue riding in standard mode on Windows. As I mentioned above, this has since been addressed with our support of native Bluetooth on Windows 10.

I do want to clarify that this isn’t simply us going “back to using old code”; since March, in addition to us releasing entirely new desktop applications, we’ve made quite a few improvements to how we handle ANT+ FE-C for all devices. The release of KICKR cadence was the final push needed for us to move KICKRs over to ANT+ FE-C, as the KICKR specific ANT+ profile did not support the transmission of cadence data.

Since the deprecated KICKR specific ANT+ profile no longer supported all of the KICKR’s features (this was not something that could be changed on our end), and maintaining our support for it was requiring an increasing amount of development resources, a decision had to be made - this decision wasn’t taken lightly.

We were aware that this move would remove standard mode over ANT+, as evidenced by our experiment with moving KICKRs to ANT+ FE-C in March. While we ultimately decided that March wasn’t the time, we have decided that now is the time. It is not likely that standard mode will return for Wahoo KICKRs over ANT+.

[Ramon_Thompson]

Thanks for the clarification, as I was surprised to see standard mode gone (along with the “calibration” option) last night when I updated.

For me it means I have to figure out if standard mode is something I need to use and if so, I’ll use an older version or do testing with resistance mode to see what level works for me. This might also be a good opportunity for me to try using TR on my windows machine, which plays nicely into other tech related plans.

Thanks as always for the work you and the TR team are doing!!

[Geoff]

We appreciate the kind words!

For reference, the calibration option should appear shortly after pairing. The difference is that we now wait to detect and confirm that the device is able to be calibrated before showing the option.

[mcneese.chad]

The difference is that we now wait to detect and confirm that the device is able to be calibrated before showing the option.

Does this mean we won’t see that option for the Neo trainer now (since it can’t be calibrated anyway)?

Great addition if so

[Geoff]

Yep, that’s correct!

[mcneese.chad]

AWESOME!!!

Thanks a bunch guys, for more of the good stuff

[Giorgio_Orlandi]

About to setup my Kickr Core and just wanted to make sure I understood this thread. There is no longer a way, using the Core, to replicate my current Kurt Kinetic fluid trainer’s curve, but I can only go with Erg or Resistance (Magnetic)?

I was hoping to use the fluid resistance feature on occasion to “chase after the watts” as I do now for all workouts. And I particularly liked going after them with sprint starts intervals.

If I did want a fluid type resistance workout (non erg, non magnetic) do I just need to use the Wahoo app and go for a free ride??

[funkinslick]

I want to bump this post as well. I have a Saris H3 and only use ERG for endurance or recovery rides. I would love, love, LOVE it if my Saris could simulate the resistance curve of my old fluid trainer. I bought a wheel off trainer because I didn’t want to deal with trainer tires and wheel slip anymore and elite doesn’t ship their wheel off fluid trainer to the US if they even still make it (plus i already have the saris so that won’t happen now but would have been my first upgrade choice from the jet fluid pro). So please trainerroad, make some sort of fluid trainer mode for ERG trainers (that’s available on iOS, I have yet to get a laptop for trainerroad)

[Giorgio_Orlandi]

Completely agree, would love to simulate the fluid curve, much like I’ll switch up the big/small gear when in Erg mode.

I’ll be running this on OS device, or 2017 Macbook Pro. Will I therefore be, or not be able use Standard mode?

@Geoff @mcneese.chad

Thanks as always for your input and support!

[mcneese.chad]

Assuming you use a Wahoo trainer (Core qualifies), via Bluetooth (BLE) connection (available in you Mac), I think you will have the Standard option.

[bbarrera]

@Giorgio_Orlandi

I’ll be running this on OS device, or 2017 Macbook Pro. Will I therefore be, or not be able use Standard mode?

last week I did a workout on a MacBook Pro, connected to Kickr 2017 (direct-drive) via Bluetooth, and Standard Mode was an option.

So yes, if using TrainerRoad with Bluetooth connection between MacBook and Kickr Core you should be able to use Standard mode.

[Bryce]

I’d like to confirm what others have said in that Standard mode is an option when paired via Bluetooth, but when paired via ANT+, your options are ERG or Resistance mode.

This has to do with the fact that, when using ANT+, we pair over the ANT+ FE-C protocol which does not have a Standard mode option.

[Giorgio_Orlandi]

Thank you very much for that clarification. Have not done enough research on the different protocols, but I do know that I want to use ERG mode for most of the training, but use the Fluid/Standard to mix it up (as others have mentioned, I enjoy mentally chasing the watts using “Interval power” numbers.

I assume that for sprint workouts people that don’t use ERG will use Resistance Mode? And if so, at what wattage? Is there an article/post? I searched but couldn’t find it.

Thanks as always.

[Bryce]

@Giorgio_Orlandi

I assume that for sprint workouts people that don’t use ERG will use Resistance Mode? And if so, at what wattage? Is there an article/post? I searched but couldn’t find it.

This requires a bit of trial and error since everyone’s FTP is different and each trainer’s resistance is a bit different. For most people, the optimal resistance lies somewhere between 20 and 40.