Help with new XC bike decision

Oreba Oiz TR seems like a perfect bike for you.


That’s a nice bike.

Do you know if the Orbea can hold two 750ml water bottles?

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I agree 100% with the dropper post comment. Yes, it’s going to add weight to the bike, but you are nearly guaranteed to make up the small difference in cornering and descending speed. Plenty of the guys and gals on the pointy end of the world cup races are running droppers, and for good reason.

I just moved from Michigan, where the race courses are almost all flat, fast and generally non-technical. Even there, I was able to get some use out of the dropper, usually in sweeping corners (easier to get your weight/CG lower) or short, fast, ‘turny’ downhills. You’d be amazed how much more confidence you have at high speeds without the seat tapping you in the bum. Once you’re on a course with more descending than those in Michigan (which is pretty much everywhere else), the advantage of the dropper becomes quite clear.

Can you ride most (all?) XC courses without a dropper? Sure. Will a dropper make you a better (faster) rider? Probably.


Medium frame 750/650ml is max. With a large mabey two 750ml is possible, not really sure.

Thanks. I’ve always liked those bikes but two bottles is a requirement.

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Here’s a few other posts on similar topics.

Steve’s list of bikes in the 2nd post is a great list of multipurpose trail bikes like the Ripley.


Bummer if that last 100ml is dealbreaker for you. :joy: What kind of bottles do you use?

I would run a large frame anyway so it should be fine. The Orbea looks similar to my epic which is why I probably like it and I would potentially consider one as a replacement.

Just the normal 750ml bottles.

Lux CF SL 8.0 Pro Race

I bought a new Epic this year and I really do like it. My buddy bought the bike above as he’s more into marathon and long distance XC races. 110MM travel, ability for full lock out, X01 out of the box, internal dropper, sub 25 lbs with tubes, and it’s on sale. After riding his bike I would definitely consider swapping out of the Epic for the Lux.

Better specs than my bike, lighter, more travel and $1,200 cheaper.

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The hardest part when buying a Oiz is choose between all the color combinations in Myo. Was a nightmare for me! :joy:

I will likely never ride an MTB without a dropper again. I’d probably give up suspension before the dropper.


Those decisions are the stuff of nightmares for me :rofl:

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Ugh, I almost bought this bike at full price and now it’s even harder to resist… but I really want that pivot. Decisions, decisions, decisions…

Thanks for the comments on droppers.

I race the Michigan XC CPS and I wouldn’t call the trails “all flat “ and “non-technical”. The trails are generally punchy, rooty, sandy and loose with about 2,000 feet of climbing. I have a dropper on my Scott Spark RC and moved up to Expert/Cat 1. Even for Michigan I recommend a dropper, even if you only use it in a few key spots. I won a race earlier in the year because I was able to rail a tricky loose downhill 30 seconds from the finish line. The guy on my wheel tried to stay with me and lost traction in a sandy turn, causing him to dab and finish 10 seconds later.

Below are the profiles of some of my races this year in Michigan that don’t look so flat:


I’m a sucker for black and gold. Beautiful bike.

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I xc mtb all the time and have no idea what a downcountry bike is :man_shrugging:

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I live in CO now, and love it, but used to live in the Midwest. I miss those rolling trails! My local XC races have a very different profile.

The downhills are long, but not very technical (in the MTB sense; lots of fast turns tho, so what roadies would call technical :grin:).

The fast guys are running either a short travel full sus XC rig, or a XC hardtail. For slower, older guys like me, the long downhills are easier on a rig with a little longer travel. The dropper also helps - about one-two inches makes a huge difference on the fast descents, making the bike easier to move around.

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Ugh, I would hate to race that all up then all down profile. The punchyness of our XC races makes tactics interesting and the race engaging.

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Didn’t mean to imply that MI course are totally pancake flat, but compared to many other regions where people might be racing XC, it’s way less hilly, and the prevailing thought would be that a dropper is not necessary. There’s no denying that, on average, the MI race courses are far less technical than in other regions, and more about maintaining speed in smooth corners and the odd ‘rooty’ area.

My point is that even on those trails, I think a dropper is an advantage, and worth the weight penalty. If they’re an advantage on the non-technical trails, they should be a no brainer when the downhills get longer, steeper and more rocky.