First Race Expectations, Beating the Breakaway, Rest Week Diets and More – Ask a Cycling Coach 242

Yo…two things, I dig TR…a lot. Five stars, and all that. :grin: Seriously. However, I had my first real disagreement with the guys today. I do not think the eating on the bike discussion today was accurately describing how the majority of people should fuel for long, all day efforts.

It’s true, you can and should practice fueling on the bike because you can train your body to utilize all sorts of different energy supplies. I have done just that. I am only speaking from my own experience, but I have done dozens and dozens of Century rides and gravel Fondo’s, and a diverse selection of whole foods, gels, shot blocks and different drink mixes and science in my water bottle is what has gotten me through. For me, the idea of riding Dirty Kanza on mostly drink mixes and gel’s as my source of fuel is crazy! Personally I would be well carb loaded and then begin a regiment heavy on sipping and nibbling all day. I also did the Coast Ride again this year…love it, and please come out next year Nate and Jonathan. It was cool to see Pete there, and Whole food was my staple as it was mixed with the science/bike food. Drink mix, gels, shot blocks, peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, dried fruit, mixed nuts, etc. And repeat over and over…

Calories and carbohydrates. This is nothing that isn’t very well known, but diversity is so good for my body and my mind and it really helps encourage me to keep peddling six, eight, or 10+ hours into a hard ride… there’s a whole lot more to it than that but I won’t bore you anymore. That’s just my experience

On another point…The Evil looks like I literal metric TON of fun… Buuuut, I wonder if it is the best choice for Kanza. maybe it is, but you’re a racer, and a racier bike seems like it would suit you more @Nate_Pearson. Have you looked at this?

https://www.cervelo.com/en_US/aspero

I just ask because this thing is fast, no kidding and super comfy. I imagine you have looked at it, so thoughts? Ok, I’ll be honest. I recently bought one myself. I put some wheels on it and a power meter, and I am loving it. I have had lots and lots of bikes of all kinds, and this thing is just a blast. It is so comfortable and holy smokes fast as heck… I’m amazed how it does both comfy and fast so well… Just a bunch of my random thoughts…tootles

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@Nate_Pearson is a super switched on internet savvy dude, there’s no way he’d ride a Cervelo unless he changes careers. This subreddit says it all. https://old.reddit.com/r/BicyclingCirclejerk/

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I’ve agonised over posting this and I’m probably going to get flamed for it, but here goes anyway. I love the content of the podcast and listen every week, religiously. I’ve learnt so much about training, nutrition and physiology and I really enjoy the dynamic between all the guys. Unfortunately, there’s a small matter that is increasingly spoiling my enjoyment, to the point where I may even have to stop listening. I know many will find it petty, but the constant use of the word “like” as redundant filler whilst discussing a topic is driving me nuts! It’s used literally dozens of times during an average episode, Jonathan being the prime “offender”, closely followed by Nate. I mean no disrespect whatsoever to the guys, but are you aware of it and is it really necessary? Perhaps it’s a California thing? I really hope this will be taken constructively and is in no way meant to cause offence.

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Surely this has been addressed in the strength training thread, but would it be a reasonable workout routine to just follow all the benchmark movements?

I haven’t noticed it before, but surely I will now. I think that’s a very reasonable complaint and it’d be good of them to be cognizant of that issue. Jonathan’s overuse of “thereafter” gets me as well, but it’s pretty insignificant in the grand scheme of things.

They do always emphasize to let them know what they can do better!

If it has been addressed (I don’t know, but suspect it is), then it will most likely be in the original post:

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Like, what are you talking about?

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Anyone else catch the “more podcast content coming soon… different” part from this show?

Color me interested.

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Lol. @Nate_Pearson, you proved you can’t go long without going long at Leadville man :joy: You almost died at the end.

The greater conversation though was one of the best bits of advice I think I have ever heard on the podcast about the long term out look and the knock on effects of weeks and even months down the road. It really extends even to years.

In fairness, he was ripping until he got a bad pack with fluid and nutrition he could not really ingest for the final leg. With a cooler pack and contents he could have taken in, I think that last stretch and his finish would have gone much better for him.

  • I’m not really saying anything new, since that is what they all discussed in the related summary podcast, just a reminder of the most likely cause for the hard ending.

I think that was due to no water 3 hours on a hot day.

I went sub 9 with bad descending and super dehydration. :man_shrugging:

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I know the whole saga. My comments was pretty tongue in cheek, I was just leading into my main point about looking at the chronic loading over weeks and months, but it’s absolutely a case in point about cycling that distance is supported by training for it. A GT contender training profile is indicative of the methodology needed to perform at one’s best. Had he done extensive volume, aimed at lower VlaMax and higher FatMax, he would have been at much easier physiological state over that course.

I understand not everyone can, or even wants, to focus on that sort of training depending on goals, time, life etc… But training for it with big distance absolutely is the most effective.

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Man, you were awesome. I’m not slagging. I couldn’t get close to your time.

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Same here, I’ve used carbs in bottles and real food to great success on long rides. My best century rides required eating something solid no later than mile 65.

Agreed. I’m not a huge fan of CTL, however I do think it does a good job of quantifying the size of your “base” for a hard century or double like DK200. My personal rule of thumb is 80+, and if I was in my 20s or 30s then I’d probably be shooting for 100+ CTL as a 2 week pre-ride target.

Nates time lapse of him eating cereal on Instagram made my day

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Just use it as a drinking game - every time they say “like” just take a swig of your bottle (assuming you are riding)

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Not to sound defensive, but @Nate_Pearson prefaced this by saying ‘in my experience’, and he followed it up with an explanation why (because solid fuel made him feel out of breath). It doesn’t sound like you are disagreeing it just sounds like you have a different experience.

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Each day I faithfully check whether Chad is finally in the sauna.

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I did look at that cervelo and it looks good.

I wonder how fast the Chamois Hagar will feel. I can get the same position relative to the bottom bracket as I can with my venge, so that should be close.

The only things in my mind that would make it feel faster are stiffness and weight. I doubt I will feel the aero difference (even though it matters) at gravel speeds.

So if I’m in the same position, why do you think this bike will be slower?

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The gravel at DK just isn’t that technical…you mentioned using the Chamois Hagar at Grinduro and that is a totally different beast, and I think it would be a killer bike for that.

But DK is all (gravel) road riding…the CH is overkill, IMO. As everyone seems to say, it is a MTB w/ drop bars. DK just doesn’t need that tool.

I was on my Crux last year w/ 40mm Ramblers and had no issues. I think a bike like the Aspero (or similar) is a great option for DK.

Just my $.02…no change accepted. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye::stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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